this is a game of chicken, which i think is designed to go over the fiscal cliff, and pin the blame on the republicans, i understand why the president is doing it for political reasons but i don't think that the republicans have to surrender themselves in this game of chicken. lou: it seems the ultimatum, raise taxes on top 2%, why not let him eat to, it is his decision, go for it, if you don't want a mature, and intelligence, and responsible negotiation, you do not know who you are dealing with, it is called a constitutional body of government. >> it is john's right, this is politics, hard and fast, 1995 all over again, stakes are high and and president wants house back, pin the blame on the republicans make them look like right wing lunatics and grab the chips, they are in a no-win position. lou: we'll be back, marianne has to weigh in and a bunch more as we continue with the a team stay with us. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] they are a glowing example of what it means to be the best. and at this special time of year, they shine even brighter. come to the winter event and get the merced